Knoxville Town Hall: ACA – Repeal, Replace or Repair?

Town hall meetings have been in the news a great deal, recently. Congress is currently on recess and the custom has been to use the recess to meet with constituents in one forum or another, with the town hall being a popular format. As with the rise of the Tea Party several years ago, some of the recent such meetings have gotten emotionally intense. Some senators and representatives, including our own, have said they will not participate in the meetings because they are too confrontational and, thus, not productive.

Organized by a local non-partisan grassroots group in conjunction with the City of Knoxville, Tennessee Health Care Campaign and the League of Women Voters Knoxville/Knox County, the town hall meeting was originally the idea of Randy Kurth and his wife Barbara Nicodemus. Kurth is being treated for cancer and fears if regulations go back to pre-ACA standards, he will not be insurable. It’s a common kind of personal story which was heard throughout the evening.

Madeline Rogero introduced the event noting that she has joined a group of 136 mayors urging congress to build upon the successes of the Affordable Care Act, rather than dismantling it. Writing in a News Sentinel editorial last Sunday, she pointed out that just under 50,000 of our neighbors in the Knoxville area are covered by insurance through the Affordable Care Act. If it is lost, over half a million Tennesseans and around 20,000,000 Americans will lose their insurance. She also recognized the city council members and other officials who were present and said she would share the link to the recording of the meeting with our representatives who, “could not be here tonight.”

Senator Corker issued a statement supporting “repeal and replace,” and Representative Duncan echoed the sentiment. Senator Alexander, noting that Humana, the last provider in the plan for east Tennessee has announced they will withdraw at the end of this year, said, ” I have proposed immediate congressional and administrative action to rescue those trapped in the collapsing market. I regularly meet with Tennesseans in my offices to discuss the damage Obamacare has caused– including how it has increased premiums and deductibles and cut patients off from the doctors and hospitals they counted on– and how to replace it with more health care choices that cost less.”

The meeting featured a panel including Jerry Askew (Tennova Administrator), Carole Myers (UT College of Nursing) Michael Holtz (American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network), Matt Harris (UT Department of Economics), and Richard Henighan (TN Health Care Campaign). The audience was encouraged to write questions for the panel and many of these were read aloud for their response by moderator, Lori Tucker of WATE.

Major Rogero, Open Enrollment for the ACA, Knoxville, November 2015

After the mayor spoke and Lori explained the format, the panelists were give an opportunity to make opening remarks. Jerry Askew said a joke circulating says that congress will soon repeal Obama Care and replace it with the Affordable Care Act. He pointed out that Hillary Clinton proposed a form of universal health care in the 1990s and it was derided with the name “HillaryCare,” and the Republicans countered with a plan very much like the Affordable Care Act, down to and including the now much hated, “individual mandate.”

The individual mandate was discussed at some length through the evening as panelists explained you can’t have care that is only optional because only the sick will take it. The penalty for not getting insurance is so low that healthy people gambled and paid the penalty, figuring with no pre-existing clause, if they got seriously ill, they would get the insurance.

Matt Harris pointed out that, in general, we want to diversify our risk, as individuals. The U.S. system of having insurance offered through employers means that citizens insured that way lose not only their jobs, but their insurance if they lose employment, thus increasing risk. Our current structure, pre-ACA, he pointed out was not an open market, but employer based, which works well for people whose employer offers good insurance and for whom no job loss occurs. Even then, the ACA has allowed those employee’s children to stay on their insurance longer, removed lifetime and annual caps and pre-existing clauses.

Mr. Henighan also started with a joke summarizing his view of the current situation, saying it is analogous to a group of suited white men attempting to push an ambulance off a cliff, sentencing the medical workers and patient inside to certain death. The occupants of the ambulance protest that they only need a flat tire repaired. He also noted that in many supportive states – particularly those which agreed to expanded medicaid – continue to have multiple providers. Tennessee declined expanded medicaid, a move which Mr. Henighan’s group says has cost the state nearly three trillion dollars over the last three years.

In advocating a health care system in which, “those who need the most, get the most,” Carole Myers said there are only so many ways to approach the health care issue and that there will be winners and losers. She advocates a value-based approach, which is reflected in the Affordable Care Act and feels the market-based approach pursued in the proposed plans will hurt the poor and help the rich. Michael Holtz, himself a cancer survivor who would have been denied insurance in the past, added that cancer treatment is so expensive that if a system can take care of cancer patients, he feels that will work for everyone.

Open Enrollment for the ACA, Knoxville, November 2015

What followed were stories from some people directly impacted by the ACA. Randy Kerr got cancer and had to retire early. Now five years shy of Medicare eligibility he’s uncertain if he will be able to get insurance. He likely can’t afford the plans being offered because he would be relegated to one of the high risk pools which are being discussed and can’t afford the higher ratios being proposed for seniors.

Kristina McLean, also a cancer survivor, held her infant, Madeline, and said without ACA neither would likely be there and, if so, she would likely be bankrupt after complications in pregnancy forced her to be hospitalized for a month. She pointed to the gains women made under the legislation: Preventative care like pap smears must be covered, women are no longer charged more, pregnancy is no longer a pre-existing condition preventing insureability and the requirement of the law that pre-natal coverage be included in acceptable policies. She concluded by saying, “Health care is not a partisan issue, it is a human rights issue.”

Valerie (I didn’t catch her last name) spoke for she and her husband, south Knoxville residents. He has COPD and Rheumatoid arthritis and the “donut hole” in medicare was filled by the ACA. This allowed them to afford his medication which was reduced from $1201.97 per month to $54 per month. Their income would make paying the $1200 a month impossible, forcing them to choose between housing and medication. She also noted they can’t pay it through the year and wait for tax time to get a credit, nor do they have money to put into an H.S.A.

Melissa Nance works as a director for a local non-profit which cannot afford to offer insurance for its employees. She went five years without insurance, but gained it when the Affordable Care Act put it within her reach. A year later she was diagnosed with leukemia. Nine months of chemotherapy paid for by her insurance has her in remission, but she knows it will return. If the pre-existing clause isn’t kept, if the lifetime cap isn’t kept, she will not be able to get treatment. She also advocated for the Cancer Fairness Treatment Act which would allow oral chemotherapy to be covered just as is the case with intravenous chemotherapy. The new drug she will likely need is an oral medication costing $5,500 per month.

Carol Lee worked full time at a job which did not include insurance, but when her mother was diagnosed with Alzheimers, she was able to change to a more flexible job in order to help care for her mother and gained insurance through the ACA. Her daughter, who was a National Merit Scholar, was able to be covered because she was under twenty-six years old. When her daughter was diagnosed with anorexia, she was able to get four months of in-patient treatment which both mother and daughter say allowed her to survive. Still recovering, she gets counseling and support from a nutritionist and would likely lose that under all the current plans being floated in congress. Lifetime caps removal and mental health care are critical components in her situation.

The law and the issue are complex. Many questions were taken and each answer added nuance. WATE’s video of the town hall is posted above and I hope you’ll take the time to watch it. The group pointed out that Health Savings Accounts only work for people with money and that block grants are limited to a set amount of money and once that is gone for the year, there is no more care. Each of these are part of various plans being promoted. Only one of the four plans being promoted has any mental health component.

The group ended by pointing out that everyone will get some level of medical care. In our previous system, about 40,000,000 Americans had no insurance and, so, got no preventative care or early detection, but rather arrived in emergency rooms when their sickness was at its worst, prompting far more expensive care and worse outcomes. That cost, of course is passed on to those of us with insurance in the form of higher premiums as a result of hospitals passing on the charges. We pay more in the end.

If you’d like to express an opinion to our representatives before a decision is made, you are encouraged to call their offices. You aren’t likely to see them at a town hall meeting, which is unfortunate because, last night’s meeting as an example, these are our neighbors and they are very afraid of losing their insurance. I kept wishing that the representatives and senators had been there to hear the honest stories and questions. No signs, no shouting, just many worried people. Maybe they will watch the video.

Comments

  1. And i repeat, Jimmy Duncan is a coward!

  2. Thank you, Alan, for covering this. It was a wonderful event – very well-executed and informative. Thank you to everyone who contributed and who organized it.

    For those of you who are up against the possibility of losing their coverage through the ACA, take a look at Farm Bureau health plans. I have had an individual plan through them for many years and it has been quite affordable. And I have not had any trouble in seeing the doctors I want to see. The plan I have is not ACA-compliant (and I’ve never done the research to figure out how/why because I already had the plan when ACA started and just never changed it), so in the government’s eyes, I don’t have health insurance (which is a little weird because I actually do and I use it all the time) and I have to pay the penalty. But I don’t really mind because it’s still cheaper than what I can get on the Marketplace. Farm Bureau does also offer ACA-compliant plans – they just cost more than what I have. I don’t want to derail the conversation because there are many other important aspects to the ACA in addition to just being able to buy coverage. But I wanted people to know Farm Bureau may be a possible option for them after this year if they might be losing their coverage. http://www.fbhealthplans.com/individual-family-plans

    Please be aware that the repeal of the ACA will affect you even if you don’t buy coverage through the Marketplace. Take the time to learn how. Watch the video of the event last night. It is so important.

  3. This is very encouraging!

    The devil is in the details. The focus should have never been on repealing this legislation, rather we should continue our progress toward a universal healthcare. Unfortunately, we have a long road ahead to reach universal healthcare.

  4. The craziest thing is that the US government spends more per capita on health care than countries that have universal coverage. That’s right. We spend more and get almost nothing for it. Other countries spend less per person and give full health coverage. http://www.pnhp.org/news/2016/january/government-funds-nearly-two-thirds-of-us-health-care-costs-american-journal-of-pub

    Those of us who are self-employed are really screwed because insurance companies don’t want to offer individual policies in Tennessee, at any price. My premiums have jumped from around $200 a month to $540 a month, but even that won’t be an option next year because Humana is dropping individual coverage. It looks like there simply won’t be insurance offered by any insurers next year.

    • I should have included this quote from the linked article:

      Dr. David Himmelstein commented: “Our study shows that universal coverage is affordable – without a big tax increase. In fact, we already pay for national health insurance, but we don’t get it. It’s an outrage that the American people pay sky-high health care taxes, but 33 million are still uninsured.”

  5. I wasn’t able to be there last night, so I really appreciate Alan posting this information. I have to admit that I just don’t understand our legislators and their motivation. How does anyone (including themselves) benefit from keeping other human beings from being covered by affordable healthcare that is more than a bandaid stuck on major problems? It hurts every one of us in some form or fashion. This is more than shameful, it’s destructive and unnecessary. I’ve known people who have lost their homes due to medical calamities. This is not acceptable and is ridiculous in a day and age when so many medical advancements are out there for those who can pay for them. They are making beggers out of all of us.

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